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POLL: Fairfield's Take on Occupy Wall Street

Fairfield residents share their thoughts on the movement against the rich.

Since the populist-themed Occupy Wall Street movement’s start in Manhattan earlier this year, the campaign against corporate greed and income inequity has burst forth across the nation.  

When the on Oct. 5, roughly 100 people gathered near Bushnell Park to join the crusade. Since then, the protest has sprouted more and more factions across the country.

“Occupy Wall Street” has lead not just to “Occupy Hartford,” but to “Occupy Boston,” “Occupy San Diego,” and “Occupy Des Moines,” to name a few.

Though the drive against economic disparity is bursting forth, observers still ponder exactly what the protesters’ thrust is.

“I’m not sure if everybody understands what they’re protesting,” said Fairfield resident Ann Nigro. “It seems like everybody’s jumping on the bandwagon.”

Fellow local Jeanne Bartkow doesn’t think the protesters even know what they’re message is.

“I think it’s still a pool where they’re collecting their thoughts,” she said. “It seems like a lot of people who want to work.”

She added that when the protesters do formulate a concrete message, people will listen – thanks to the movement’s civil demonstrations.

“From everything I’ve seen on the news, they seem peaceful, respectful – they clean up the parks after themselves,” Bartkow said.

“I think it’s fine for people to come together to protest whatever they want to protest,” she said.

Nigro remained skeptical.

“They seem like educated people...but what do they really want?” she said. “They don’t know how to get it.”

KEVIN DILLON October 12, 2011 at 10:29 PM
This is where I can't give the protesters any credence. It's all about blaming someone else instead of taking responsibility for one's own actions. They blame millionaires because THEY are not successful, so instead of working as hard as you can and make life choices that would enable you to be as successful as possible, lets' take from those who have become successful, and why do they think that, because the President has made them the target. You blame the banks for giving out mortgages. Would you blame the gun company for legally selling a gun to someone who turns around and does something stupid with it. Where is personal responsibility? We are provided with the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The founders did not guarantee happiness or wealth for all. They provided the framework for all of us to pursue it or if we choose, not to. I look forward to the day once again when America starts looking more like America and less like a socialist state.
Eleanor Bruce October 12, 2011 at 10:53 PM
I AM ONE OF THE 99 %. we do not have to go to Wall Street . We have to go to Fairfield Town Hall and Protest because nobody is doing anything for us. Taxes are going up every year and the town of Fairfield keeps spending our money: New Train Station, we have more than enough employees. Just go around see what they do. NOTHING.
c. palm October 14, 2011 at 12:06 PM
good to have your take on it, jupiter and john...
CTPati October 18, 2011 at 11:45 PM
Those who think these confused OWS types are a good thing should read this article: "Polling the Occupy Wall Street Crowd" "In interviews, protesters show that they are leftists out of step with most American voters. Yet Democrats are embracing them anyway." http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204479504576637082965745362.html ..."The protesters have a distinct ideology and are bound by a deep commitment to radical left-wing policies."... "Our research shows clearly that the movement doesn't represent unemployed America and is not ideologically diverse. Rather, it comprises an unrepresentative segment of the electorate that believes in radical redistribution of wealth, civil disobedience and, in some instances, violence. Half (52%) have participated in a political movement before, virtually all (98%) say they would support civil disobedience to achieve their goals, and nearly one-third (31%) would support violence to advance their agenda. *** "The vast majority of demonstrators are actually employed, *** and the proportion of protesters unemployed (15%) is within single digits of the national unemployment rate (9.1%)."...
john October 19, 2011 at 12:55 AM
to CTPati you suggest OWS is confused, radically left wing, habitual, and employed first, your source, WSJ, is part of the problem... distinctly supporting the status quo, and aligned titularly with financial elites.. second, I identify with the `movement', and am actually neither confused (other than by the extraordinary commitment of the right wing in this country to mostly failed policies at home and abroad).. nor employed.. third, there is absolutely no violence in the movement so far, other than that perpetrated by law enforcement professionals, for which I understand one has been docked a few days vacation? what sort of message does that send to the world?
CTPati October 19, 2011 at 06:39 PM
john, Wall St. did not cause the economic disaster, nor the recession we are in--although some were beneficiaries of TARP and BAILOUTS, which I and other tea party folks deplore!! It was wrongheaded legislation, because of congress' (aided and abetted by Clinton, Cuomo, Geithner, Rubin, and Larry Summers) foolish and un-Constitutional *social justice* notions, that has ruined our nation's former prosperity. "Three Financial Stooges Real Life" http://www.newsmax.com/Hirsen/Obama-three-stooges/2009/03/29/id/329125 It is corrupt/incompetent career politicians (like Frank and Dodd) who caused the mortgage meltdown and subsequent recession! Read about it: http://spectator.org/archives/2009/02/06/the-true-origins-of-this-finan The demonstrators' ire should be directed at the *cause* of the recession, the horrendous government overspending and DEBT, and the high unemployment, which is malfeasance by corrupt/incompetent career politicians in congress, over several decades. The demonstrations should be not on Wall St. but in front of congress in D.C., and in front of the local offices of DeLauro, Larson, Murphy, etc.
Fairfielder 3G October 19, 2011 at 10:02 PM
I think this link will shed some light on why the Occupy Wall Street movement started. http://www.businessinsider.com/what-wall-street-protesters-are-so-angry-about-2011-10
CTPati October 21, 2011 at 11:01 PM
Regardless of justified anger, it is misdirected at WS. Most of the pee party have no idea that they are being used by Stephen Lerner, Soros, Van Jones, Frances Piven and others of the "collapse the system" SOCIALISTS and Alinskyites. As tea party co-founder Mark Meckler says: "On the streets of New York, these anti-free enterprise anarchists are defacing American flags, defiling police cars, accosting ordinary citizens, threatening businesses and demanding class warfare be waged on anyone who works hard and is successful. "We the people know what caused this terrible economic crisis. It wasn’t capitalism or American freedom. Instead it was out-of-control government spending, sky-high taxes and rampant cronyism and corruption in Washington, D.C." This is the message of the Tea Party Patriots,
john October 21, 2011 at 11:29 PM
well, it is true the Tea Pee Pee-ers are quite clear in their message, exhibiting a refreshing bumper-sticker simplitude in what is the most complicated socio-economic crisis facing all industrialized nations...if TPPee-ers really understood what is going on, they would desist from supporting policies so contrary to their own interest...for example, Cain proposes a ludicrously blunt instrument (999) which adds burden to those least able to bear it, yet shoots straight to the top of right wing polls, perhaps because of his clear goal of personal profit (on the Palin model) ... the fact that T P Pee-ers happily roast their chestnuts on this consuming fire tells all of us where their brains are....
Kent October 22, 2011 at 03:00 PM
This tea party doggeral scares the hell out of me. I wouldn't know where to begin to try and address your ridiculously skewed rationale, because you're practically foaming at the mouth with certitude over the reasons for our current economic crisis. You and many of the others on this thread are missing the point of the Occupy Wall Street thing entirely. It's not about 'who' these people that are joining the protest are as individuals (and the 'pee party' references really are puerile), it's about the helplessness many of us feel (although apparently not you) about affecting any meaningful change in the way that our financial institutions, federal government, and even the corporations that many of us work for have bestowed financial favor on themselves, and the upon the very wealthy in general at the expense of the the vast majority of our society. I for one am very glad that these people, this dis-organization of individuals have spontaneously given vent to the frustration, the anger, and the despair that I feel towards the institutions that have largely shaped my and your life, and brought our society to the precipice of economic collapse. I thought that this was what the tea party was about until I realized how narrowly focused and blinkered they are, as you've clearly demonstrated here.
CTPati October 22, 2011 at 04:11 PM
Kent, your view of both the OWS rabble and "Tea Party" principles are "blinkered." The tea party is all about personal responsibility, *limited* government, balanced BUDGETS, with NO "bailouts" or "stimulus"--and government NOT "picking winners and losers" as they currently do with most legislation! In sharp contrast, the ORGANIZERS of OWS are *socialists* and anarchists who want to "collapse the system" as below: "OccupyWallSt.org, which is helping organize logistics for the demonstrations, prominently lists the so-called 'Second Bill of Rights' on its website. According to the site, the ideas were espoused by early socialists before being advanced by President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s in his 1944 State of the Union speech. "Essentially the scheme calls on the government to create a new set of 'rights' that critics say would severely limit economic liberty. The state-enforced privileges include 'a useful and remunerative job' with enough earning power to provide 'adequate recreation;' the ability to sell products at a certain price; protection from 'unfair competition' and 'the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;' a 'decent home,' 'medical care' and a 'good education;' and more."... http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/8967-day-of-rage-wall-st-occupation-sparks-fears
Kent October 22, 2011 at 09:03 PM
Whoa! You actually think that Occupy Wall Street is organized by socialists and anarchists (you really should stop the name calling) who speak for everyone down there because you read so on a web site? And does a web site speak for everyone who considers themselves an adherent of the tea party? I read that article in the 'New American' that you linked, which included such gems as this one: “American radicals are planning hundreds of simultaneous violent uprisings to topple our system of capitalism,” warned Ron Arnold with the Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise in an e-mail. “I'm talking about anti-capitalist terrorists in our own country.”
Kent October 22, 2011 at 09:05 PM
The word 'ludicrous' just isn't strong enough a word to describe the ugly, pseudo- intellectual, bilious nonsense in that article. And as for the tea party, it's a pity that their 'principles' as you call them seem to ignore the functions and mechanisms of our central government or the opinions of our country's top economists or even one ounce of compassion for the welfare of their fellow americans. Read any of the excellent books out there on the history of this current economic debacle's causes and world-wide consequences such as "All the Devil are Here" or "The Big Short", and you'll be joining those anarchists on wall street yourself like any good patriot should. And this protest does belong in Washington D.C. as well as on Wall Street, but Wall Street is easily the most appropriate location for it, both as a symbol and for being at the epicenter of this social and economic 'tsunami'.
CTPati October 23, 2011 at 12:35 AM
Kent, you need to read up on Frances Piven, Van Jones and Stephen Lerner, who all want to "Collapse the System" and either instigated or support the OWS anarchists. Yes I know that certainly many who are there, with merited anger, don't agree with those who ARE USING them as "useful idiots." Angela Davis, Communists is one of the supporters. http://uptownmagazine.com/2011/10/angela-davis-responds-to-occupy-wall-street/#.TqANbkKKaXE Here is a *terrorist supporter* who is also a leader in FL: "Look who's behind uprising in Orlando Who'da thunk this group would be pulling strings?" "A lawyer linked through the Council on American Islamic Relations to Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood has been identified as the driving force behind the Occupy Orlando protests that have been staged in Johnson Park, according to a video report from Tom Trento of the Florida Security Council and The United West."... "The group MassResistance reported that old-stream media reports on the Occupy Boston protests, 'the flood of communist, anarchist, anti-Israel, and similar literature that permeates ... is simply ignored.' "The organization's visit to the scene of the protests found 'political ideology of communism, socialism and anarchism, with additions of anti-Israel, pro-Muslim, law-breaking, and other radical advocacy. "Plus,... the park they've taken over is now filthy and smells of urine." http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=358141#ixzz1bYg1jpr7
john October 24, 2011 at 01:13 AM
CTPati.. first, all your observations seem second hand... have you been to the site... have you actually talked to anyone down there? and second, what do you have against socialism? specifically? have you looked at any of the Scandinavian societies which offer a combination of socialistic capitalism, and manage to consistently outrank the US on almost all accepted measures of socioeconomic progress?
CTPati October 24, 2011 at 03:46 PM
"What do I have against socialism?" It has been proven a gross FAILURE everywhere from "cradle to grave Nanny state" Europe to the USSR! Not to mention the *fact* that our nation was founded upon, and PROSPERED under, the basis of FREE market "capitalism." It is because *government* has so grossly *interfered* with that system, with over-regulation and over SPENDING--now over 25% of the GDP--that our nation is in the dire economic straits it is in. The current unemployment and recession are NOT a result of a failure of the free market system. They are a result of malfeasance and incompetence by congress over several decades! john, you may want to ignore the influence/funding of Soros and SEIU over the OWS, which is now supported by *Iran* and Communist Angela Davis, as well as radicals Frances Piven, Van Jones and Stephen Lerner, who all want to "Collapse the System" and either instigated or support the OWS anarchists. That does not mean your benign view of OWS is correct. If you want to know the TRUTH about who is behind OWS, watch www.gbtv.com at 5 p.m. tonight.
R. Ludlowe October 24, 2011 at 03:53 PM
There are many flavors of socialism... From the former USSR to the current systems in Scandinavia, Australia and Canada. None of these countries are immune to the current economic mess that the world markets are facing, but I dont think you can make such blanket statements about socialism without defining exactly where your "gross failures" exactly are. Cuba? Sure. Scandinavia? Not so much.
john October 24, 2011 at 05:07 PM
well, if Glen Beck is your source of TRUTH about OWS, we likely have little left to discuss... but before signing off, I would suggest you are confusing failed Russian communism with more vibrant non-free market economies... for example, where d'you place China and Vietnam on your list of gross failures.... the former a sophisticated, and so far pretty successful growth model combining socialism and capitalism, and the latter an extraordinary provincial model coming out of their 1992 convention, and following a brutal civil war, and relentless bombardment from the world's most powerful military...according to World Bank figures, GDP annual growth rates for the US 2006-10 averaged less than 3%, where China progressed at around 10%, and Vietnam around 6%.. quite some gross socialist failure...might be worth reconsidering your blanket dismissals....
Karl Marx October 24, 2011 at 09:10 PM
Australia and Canada are socialist countries? Not by any stretch of the imaginiation, Ludlowe. They're not even social democracies, which is what best describes most of the Scandanavian countries.
CTPati October 25, 2011 at 05:29 AM
john, you are evidently afraid to "Stand in the Blaze of Truth," as T. Jefferson wrote. You were probably indoctrinated into the specious notion of "social justice" in your "education"--rather than educated in the U.S. Constitution and the "Rule of Law" and protection of *private property*, which are essential PRINCIPLES of Freedom which our nation was founded upon. It is those "principles" and FREEDOM which have led to our nation being prosperous until very recently. Again, john, it is because *government* has so grossly *interfered* with our FREE market system, with over-regulation and over SPENDING--now over 25% of the GDP--that our nation is in the dire economic straits it is in! What IS "socialism" other than gross "interference"--through REDISTRIBUTION of the fruits of others' labors?!! China and other nations can show temporary higher economic growth rates because their huge populations have been formerly DEPRIVED of consumer goods. But that signifies *nothing* as to your gullible notion of their form of government--with it's HORRID human rights abuses--being superior to a nation of true LIBERTY. Americans have not had true "Liberty" for many years now, as we have become "subject" to a RULING CLASS who believe that citizens are too stupid to decide how best to spend their own money and make all decisions for their own families. http://spectator.org/archives/2010/07/16/americas-ruling-class-and-the
Jupiter October 25, 2011 at 05:43 AM
CTPati--As you seem to fear socialism, I'd direct you to two of the most peaceful and benign nations I've visited in my world travel. Denmark and Finland have not only the world's most beautiful women, but also very content societies with extraordinary output given their small sizes, and both operate as socialistic capitalist democracies in which everyone is given education and healthcare by right. If you've been to either, I ask you to tell me what's less good there than in the U.S.
Jupiter October 25, 2011 at 05:50 AM
The "fact?" And isn't the malfeasance in Congress due to its being bought by capitalist and other vested interests?
R. Ludlowe October 25, 2011 at 04:45 PM
To answer your question (correctly, versus your attempt): Socialism is an economic system in which the means of production are commonly owned and controlled cooperatively; or a political philosophy advocating such a system. As a form of social organization, socialism is based on co-operative social relations and self-management; relatively equal power-relations and the reduction or elimination of hierarchy in the management of economic and political affairs.
CTPati October 26, 2011 at 06:16 PM
I don't "fear socialism." I LOATHE the precepts upon which it is founded!! More germane is the fact that it is UN-Constitutional! Speaking of loathsome, waynerd23 wrote "I spent 4 hours there [at OWS] last Friday. This video is actually being kind. I have never seen such a group of idiotic, drug hazed, duped, doped, and out of touch people in all my life (and I'm an ex pothead who's been to Greatful Dead concerts). "Every 20 feet there were drugged up hippies sleeping on the ground next to piles of trash, useful idiots carrying communist and socialist signs and the stench was unbearable. It was a combination of pot, body odor and garbage." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8UtYQ2zKmk OWS is a MOB, *organized by RADICAL LEFTISTS*, supported by Democrats, the Communist party, the Nazi party, those who are lazy or selfish and demand that *others* pay for their housing, health care, food, their student loans, etc. Yes, I understand that there are some people there who don't fit any of the above--but they have nonetheless joined in with a *radical, extreme* cabal of Alinskyites who are ANTI LIBERTY and ANTI everything like our Constitution and the free market principles and *Personal Responsibility* our nation was founded upon!
john October 26, 2011 at 06:24 PM
no point continuing .. `seaty patty' is most probably a pseudonym for a thirteen year old who is rolling on the floor giggling at all this... correction, twelve year old...
R. Ludlowe October 26, 2011 at 06:36 PM
my favorite seaty-pati quote so far! "[Socialism] is UN-Constitutional" How is Pati posting while Middle School is still in session? That's my question. I thought they blocked sites like this from the school libraries.
Jupiter October 26, 2011 at 06:46 PM
CTPati says socialism is unconstitutional. Though I'm not advocating socialism for the U.S., I would like to know where in the Constitution it outlaws socialism. Also, he has seen and smelt a very different protest than I did on my visit, so I wonder whether he or she has actually been there.
CTPati October 26, 2011 at 11:08 PM
Did you even watch the linked video? OWS changes from moment to moment and is getting very violent some places, such as rock & bottle throwers in Oakland! Mayor Bloomberg is a wuss, because the rabble should never have been allowed to camp overnight, create unsanitary conditions and become so obnoxious with noise, smells etc. and interfering with the *property rights* of neighbors and business owners! As to "malfeasance in Congress due to its being bought by capitalist and other vested interests?" Yes, that is certainly a big factor--with those "other vested interests" being UNIONS, Planned Parenthood and other CRONIES who make the big campaign donations!! It also has to do with the *incompetence* and corruption of career politicians of both parties! We are currently governed by a kakistocracy, rather than by men and women of *integrity and principles* who serve for a SHORT TIME (as envisioned by the founders) and then go back to their regular vocations. Socialism (we're already almost there, btw) is unconstitutional, because of Amendment X, which states: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Jupiter, you really ought to read Daniel Hannan's highly informative "The New Road to Serfdom: A Letter of Warning to America." He has a pleasurable writing style (nothing like mine!), and it's out in paperback now.
CTPati October 28, 2011 at 07:53 PM
I'm part of "the 53% of Americans who pay federal income taxes....The 53 percenters stress the fact that they are paying the taxes that support the government assistance the protesters say they want."... "The protesters need to stop complaining about the government and financial institutions and start looking for work. Ken Gardner, an attorney in Dallas, joined the conversation because he opposes government handouts. "'We don't want to be the 53% who carries the 47% on our shoulders,' said Gardner, who thinks more people should pay federal income taxes."... "'What the 99% is missing is the element of personal responsibility,' said [Josh]Trevino, who is also vice president at the conservative Texas Public Policy Foundation. 'The 53% want to bring that into the conversation.'"... "I am responsible for my own destiny," writes one 34-year-old father of three. "I will succeed or fail because of me and me alone." "I took jobs I didn't want. Why don't you?" says one poster to the protesters. "Suck it up and become part of the 53%."... http://money.cnn.com/2011/10/26/news/economy/occupy_wall_street_backlash/?cnn=yes
Jupiter October 29, 2011 at 02:29 AM
Unfortunately this otherwise cooperative website doesn't allow one to reply to every posting, so I'll address CTPati's on 10/26 in which he/she says it's Amendment X that disallows socialism in our nation. I'm afraid for you that that's a feeble answer, as all that amendment does is default powers not delegated to Federal to the states. It in no way refers to what our economic system should be or in whose charge it is.

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